tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-296009907218496806.post4426464484578142002..comments2023-04-12T02:28:02.927-07:00Comments on ConjureMan Ali's Spiritual Blog: Goetic HoodooConjureMan Alihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15837523711909588929noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-296009907218496806.post-67016694060786935222011-07-29T12:50:50.283-07:002011-07-29T12:50:50.283-07:00Good Doctor I am enjoying your blog immensely. I ...Good Doctor I am enjoying your blog immensely. I have worked extensively with the Grim devils with a traditional hoodoo practice. I think when the Grim are approached with ambivalence the old Protestant/Catholic moral divisions become less significant. I worked the 72 of the Goetia out of an Anna Riva chapbook for years before I even realized they were supposedly terrible creatures.<br /><br />Anyways .. very enjoyable blog.Kdjshhskmshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07594132285806395762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-296009907218496806.post-62612213610378307112011-07-11T13:49:03.792-07:002011-07-11T13:49:03.792-07:00I'm very interested in this subject and look f...I'm very interested in this subject and look forward to more posts on your experiences. I look forward to news on your text as well as the online course. With regard to working with Djinn: would you say the work is more effective on someone from that cultural background?kmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04862661524035709878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-296009907218496806.post-59362006839863831972011-07-11T09:52:21.634-07:002011-07-11T09:52:21.634-07:00Plug, most permitted, good Balthazar. I look forwa...Plug, most permitted, good Balthazar. I look forward to your work. I am always pleased to see conjure doctors other than myself exploring the links--it is a most fruitful endeavor :-).<br /><br />Kind, Frater RO, the Lemegeton does indeed have a rather foul reputation among practicing Goetic mages, but I am of the opinion that not all "goetic" spirits are of the same nature. My view is informed by my work with djinn and I view the chthonic spirits of goetia to be of the same kind. They are fiery, they can be chaotic and some are certainly evil, but not all. I find that my experience with the spirits of the GV are much more fulfilling and seem to lack the repurcussions of working with the Lem's spirits. Goetia is a vast ocean and the Lem is but a droplet. <br /><br />Good Frater AIT, thank you for the kind comments and your experiences are similar to my own. I am actually working on a text with a rather famous colleague in the world of Goetia on just the very subject. It's being polished as we speak so look for updates ;-). In addition to that I also have an online course in the making and another book that's being worked on, but is in its early stages.ConjureMan Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15837523711909588929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-296009907218496806.post-49764217732615433402011-07-11T08:25:42.151-07:002011-07-11T08:25:42.151-07:00Excellent post, Frater! The Hoodoo tradition has n...Excellent post, Frater! The Hoodoo tradition has never been shy about working with the grimoires; the practical nature of the spirits involved make them a good fit for conjure. I personally find Hoodoo methods for protection and working with a spirit to be more efficacious, as the elaborate circles and accoutrements can be very time consuming and difficult to procure in the way that our washes, oils, and roots are not. The Hoodoo method also encourages relationship--no wonder you need a huge protective circle, you just spent half an hour threatening to burn dude up in chains and hellfire...I can skip the threats when using conjure methods for spirit-work. Well. I skip them anyway, haha, but you know what I mean. =) <br /><br />I would love to read about your methods sometime--have you thought perhaps of writing a book, or barring that a pamphlet. There would be tremendous interest in such a thing, especially from an esteemed conjurer like yourself!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00688466441427496085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-296009907218496806.post-36923627125349334482011-07-11T07:58:43.733-07:002011-07-11T07:58:43.733-07:00I found mingling ATRs and the Lemegeton's Goet...I found mingling ATRs and the Lemegeton's Goetia to be superbly useful, powerful, and effective. <br /><br />That didn't change the fact that they're an evil tribe of spirits. The results they provide come with evil because they are not spirits of blessing or neutrality, they are active evil in the material realm. They are the ministers of disease, breakdown, failure, deceit, greed, and all forms of suffering. We seek to tap into the aspects of these properties that will bring us what we want without having it be evil when they work in our lives, but when you think about it, that doesn't make sense. <br /><br />Like any spirit, they will work with you, but they will work within their means. These guys work with evil, it's their livelihood, their assigned lot in life. Whatever they bring you will come from some evil circumstance, or it will result in some evil circumstance.<br /><br />The Lemegeton warns of this, and suggests working with the spirits of the Theurgia Goetia, though they too dabble in evil as necessary.<br /><br />My problems came from the assumption that I could avoid or be immune to the evil aspects of their influence. My experience proved the old saying, if you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.<br /><br />And I should throw in the "your mileage may vary" caveat for political correctness, but I haven't seen anyone have better results with the Lemegeton's Goetia. Everyone I know who works with them suffers the consequences.Rufus Opushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10806987441760167537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-296009907218496806.post-15694997535303550902011-07-11T04:30:21.086-07:002011-07-11T04:30:21.086-07:00Excellent timing friend! If you will permit me a s...Excellent timing friend! If you will permit me a small plug...the Conjure Codex is about to be released with my whopping 9000 word exegesis on just this very topic!<br /><br />http://www.hadeanpress.com/2011/06/conjure-codex-cover/<br /><br />The piece basically outlines my working system of Verum based goetic hoodoo, or as I have playfully dubbed my approach "Infernal Conjure".Balthazarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00082560653346684284noreply@blogger.com